Creationism, Evolution, and Intelligent Design
Should intelligent design be taught in science class? Should evolution be taught in school? Should creationism be taught in school? Please do your best to explain.
Should intelligent design be taught in science class? Should evolution be taught in school? Should creationism be taught in school? Please do your best to explain.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:46 am
I think that intelligent design should be an option. Personally, I think religion and religious theories should stay out of school, because not only are they capable of devastating our future economy, it’s possible that perhaps these theories could provoke students to disagree and settle their differences with violence. Religion stays out of the government, or so they say, so religion needs to stay out of a public establishment. Religion is such a controversial topic, and I think that if students want to investigate it, then they can sign up for a parochial school, or can sign up for classes outside of Public School. Federal tax dollars are not meant to be spent on teaching religion in science class. I think that if people offered it as a free class, then it would be all right. But I don’t think religion, yet alone intelligent design, should be taught in public schools, even though I personally believe in intelligent design.
As for evolution by all means it should be taught in Public Schools. For a nation whose future economy depends on a scientific field, then what are we trying to do by bringing in religious theroies in a class that will change the way we live? Let’s not mess with our science classes, because that is all we have. Technology is the last thing the USA is the best at, but if we debate over whether or not to have creationism taught, then we’ll be in last place in the tech world.
Creationism is meant to be taught at parochial schools. I should know, I used to attend one, and if the problem of money presents itself, then perhaps the child who wants to learn about creationism could go to their local church and ask the priest or pastor there.
May 6th, 2008 at 11:59 am
anyone wanna respond??
no disagreements?
COME ON!!!!!!!
May 6th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Erika:
I agree with most of what you said, but I have some questions.
How would the belief of intelligent design be “capable of devastating our future economy”? I just don’t get that.
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I think creationism, evolution, and intelligent design should all be introduced in schools in a non-objective way and that the students should be able to decide, without persuasion of teachers, which one they believe in. I believe that, because of separation of church and state, that evolution should be taught more in-depth than creationism and intelligent design, as they are ideas based on religion. I also believe creationism and intelligent design are not ideas of science, so should not be taught in a science class, but rather a class on religious theories or something like that.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Well, for one, if our nations future depends on science and we bring religion into the topic, then we won’t get anywhere. God is not the one who is making the technology that our economy thrives off of. Plus religion gets into some swampy waters.
If we decide to teach creationism and intelligent design in public schools then we’re bound to have a hailstorm or controversy. I’m sorry but I just don’t think that it is right to have religion in a public school. I’d like to think this nation has some separation of Church and State, but it doesn’t. That’s clear to me. I think that your suggestion of a religious theories class is a good idea, but we have to come up with a way of funding. The government won’t (or shouldn’t) stand for religion in public schools. And who are we going to hire as teachers? Whose willing to take the risk of ridicule to an entire community?
Lastly, what about the children who believe in different faiths. Intelligent design isn’t specific on which faith it supports, but creationism sure is. I don’t think Buddhist and Muslims would be thrilled to learn about Christianity. If you want to learn about creationism go to a parochial school.
I just think its too controversial to introduce religion into public schools.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Erika, you’re inspiring me.
I don’t have that much to say on the subject yet - I need some more information and opinions, and time to let it all soak in.
Neutral, for now.
Come on, people, let’s get this started.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Erika -
Economics is the science that deals with the distribution of wealth.
So, if you could, explain to me what creationism, intelligent design, and evolution in public schools has to do with the federal distribution of wealth.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Alright. Our economy, I don’t think I used the phrase economics, is already flopping. We used to be the best at everything. Anything American made was guaranteed to be pure quality work, and now the only leading field we have, is technology.
Our cars suck.
We don’t make our clothes.
We import food.
We take oil from countries that are still developing.
And we aren’t dependent on ourselves.
The only way that the US will be making money solely because of the things we export will be the technology we come up with.
Technology is the last thing we can depend on for making money.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Ahh, I see your point.
Thanks for clearing that up.
I see the connection and now I feel kinda dumb for not realizing it, ahaha.
Well, let’s face it: my dearest Marx was right in at least one thing:
The proletariat will continue to get poorer,
the property owners and “money-makers” (let’s just call them that…) will get richer,
and…
TA DA! We’re staring into the face of another deep economic Depression.
Well.
That was off-topic.
Sorry about my rant.
As you were, people.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
I think the US is in need of another depression.
It’ll bring us closer togetherr.
But who am I kidding? We’re a society of paranoid people.
You really think that someone will loan their neighbor a cup of coffee?
AHAH.
and no problema. you are definitley not an idiot.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
This may be off-topic, but Erika brought up a good point, and if we’re to have an in-depth debate going on here, it helps to have some background information.
People just don’t trust anybody anymore.
You wouldn’t trust a complete stranger with your most prized possession, am I right?
Well, why wouldn’t you?
They might be the most trustworthy, loyal person you’ve ever laid eyes on, yet, you automatically put up defenses and assume the worst.
Draw your own conclusions.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
It’s because we as a people have been betrayed so many times by the ones we are supposed to trust most.
OUR GOVERNMENT LEADS US.
We should trust them right?
Well, I sure don’t.
They lie, continuously.
That just makes me have doubts within the people I’m closest too.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
My question for you erika is this:
Why would you believe in something as bogus and disgusting as intelligent design?
May 6th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Thanks, Paley.
Supreme being? What supreme being?
May 6th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Erika,
I was reading your first entry, and for the most part I found no problems. What I don’t get is this. You say you believe in Intelligent Design, yet you encourage people to think that evolution should be taught in schools. Which is it? You can’t believe in intelligent design and then also make a decision about the future of your own kids’ education and say that they should be learning about evolution. From what I have seen, your not too bad in the science field. This is why it puzzles me that you would believe in such a bogus theory like intelligent design. We have proof behind evolution. No where in the world do we have proof for intelligent design, or any dabatable arguments, except maybe that so many people are too dumb to realize that we WERE conceived naturally, and just because we are conscious and we are complex doesn’t automatically mean a higher being has created us.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
I am a person who believes in God, but I still believe that evolution should be taught in school. That theory has the most proof and the theory of evolution is accepted by the most knowledgeable people in the world. If we taught creationism and intelligent design in schools, we would legally have to teach every single theory about the creation of the world, or we would be violating both the separation of church and state act and the right to freedom of worship. Every teacher knows that we cannot teach every theory! We wouldn’t learn about anything else. Teach fact, not beliefs.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Ok Paley.
Well, I think that evolution should be taught because as stated previously I don’t think religious theories should be introduced into public schools.
You might not believe in Intelligent Design, but I do. That’s how I was brought up. I respect that you believe in evolution, but you need to understand that everyone has different beliefs.
Just because I may believe in intelligent design doesn’t mean I want it to be taught at the school I go to. I’m looking at something that could accommodate all of the nation.
I already said its too risky to bring religion into public schools.
Do you understand where I’m coming from?
May 6th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Oh, and Paley, you might want to take that “god” out of your name if you believe in evolution.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Yeah sort of, but I really think it is a complete contradiction to want evolution taught in school, and then to believe in intelligent design. Why would you want something taught in school that you believe is false?
(You would have to believe evolution is false to be a believer in intelligent design, which is something that it looks like you and Barry are both not getting.)
For Barry, its not like I can do anything about what you want taught in school. In my opinion, where you and Erika are standing makes you look less intelligent. You believe in God outside of school, yet you want an idea that says nothing about God to be taught in school. I dont see how that sounds in the least bit legitimate.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
I like god in my name just to add a little pizzazz. I almost did that just to see if anyone would be foolish enough to think that I didnt notice that God was in my name even though I have openly expressed my disbelief in the fowl being.
It’s called a joke.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
To Erika on her last comment:
You can believe in evolution and be religious. The bible, in my opinion, is a group of poetic, not literal, writings about how people viewed the world at the time. How was the author of Genesis One and two that the world was created by a huge explosion that caused large particles to fly everywhere! How were they supposed to know that we came from organisms in the water. They wrote about the world as they saw it. They’re not the scientists.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
If I wanted to learn more about God, I could go back to Cathedral. Religion has no part of science, it’s its own subject. Science does not include God, you know that, so why introduce a topic that jeapordizes the future of the US?
I don’t believe in creationism, I believe in intelligent design. I don’t think its bogus, and I don’t think you should say that, because criticizing someones beliefs isn’t the classiest of things to do.
What my point is, is that by teaching evolution it would guarantee an open job market. I do believe in most of evolution, I just think there is a supernatural force behind it. Letting mankind evolve on its own.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
I think that all these types of believes should be taught in all classes. I think this because we should know i little about every thing for when we get older. If you parents have a problem with it they should home school there childern.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Not everything revolves around God. Science needs to be taught at a public school. If we teach intelligent design, we are not separating church and state. Just because you believe in God doesn’t mean you can’t believe in science too.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Barry, that is precisely why the bible is completely unreliable.
They DIDNT KNOW anything.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Oh and Paley, I realized it was a joke. Just a little contradictory and ironic, especially since you are siding with evolution.
I respect your opinion. Barry I see what you are saying, and it’s not even the fact that I believe in God. I mean, who says I believe in God? I could be buddhist. Technically they wrote the bible as they were told to write the bible. By God!!
I’m not a huge Catholic here. I rarely go to church. My only point though is that my belief is my belief. Yet I do enjoy learning about evolution. But Paley and Barry, Evolution is still a theory.
HASN’T BEEN PROVEN!
Nor has Intelligent Design, but I don’t think that either of those will be proven in our life time.
May 6th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
I can not explain most of the other two but I can explain part of intelligent design. Since their are no good disagreements I will help myself to start one. I am sure none of you understand the reason behind intelligent design. Since the goal of science is understanding of the real world, the world itself is the ultimate place for determining answers. I do believe the belief that all circumstances are covered by laws of science and that all teleological explanations are therefore without value. We first must clarify what is meant by “naturalism.” Naturalism gets associated with science because natural explanations have such a good track record for explaining observed circumstances. Some of this leads to topics which insists on natural explanations even outside science. Even a lot of the scientists Most of you might not understand what I am trying to say here, so go ahead ask the question.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
I personally believe in intelligent design. I feel that sometimes people scoff this view because they believe that people who believe in intelligent design must believe in some MAN in the sky pulling the strings. I do not believe that there is a God or a Jesus in a human like form. I think people believe that to feel more connected and related to the world to justify what is going on in it. As an intelligent designER just think that their must be some sort of plan in the universe. That the marvel of the human body wasn’t by accident and that there must be something positive pulling all of us ahead.
However; I do not believe that intelligent design should be taught in school. Intelligent design for me, is a comforting belief that gives me porpoise. It is not fact and it is not history. I agree with Erica when she says that other religions wouldn’t be to happy with the Idea of intelligent was being taught in school. Intelligent design is a religious belief and like any other and should not be forced upon any one.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:20 am
yeah erika it kind of has been proven
May 7th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Read Nietzsche and weep, creationists.
Educate yourself.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Erika, I understand that evolution is still just a theory, but it is the most respected theory in the world. As you have said before, we are slowly falling behind in the field of science, and our economy is on the verge of a depression. As strongly as I believe in my religious beliefs, I still feel like even we are going to avoid this economic depression, we need to teach science. Erika, I respect your opinion and on most points I agree with it, but I have a slightly different view.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:42 am
@Barry:
The theory of evolution is “the most respected theory in the world”?
Frankly, I don’t believe you.
As a matter of fact, just around two thirds of the world’s people are theistic.
And also, you should probably stop trying to write as if you think you are a philosopher from 400 AD:
I can’t understand a word of this:
“As strongly as I believe in my religious beliefs, I still feel like even we are going to avoid this economic depression, we need to teach science.”
Do something about that.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:47 am
I think school should stay the way it has always been, If they taught one of them, the other one would want to be taught; ex. They teach Intellegent design, then the people who represent evolution and creationism would want their subject to be taught too.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:50 am
What about what we’re doing here?
This seems like a fine way of educating youth about universal theories without a bias.
Any comments?
May 7th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Well Avery, school hasn’t always been the way most public schools are now. Some of them used to be very religious.
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I think that the government should make different schools for the people who want their children educated with creationism, intelligent design, and evolution. You know?
Like:
one school for the creationists.
one school for the intelligent designers. (haha if thats how you say it)
one school for the people that dont mind evolution being taught, mostly like public schools now.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:56 am
Well alexis that would probally cost the government alot of money, but it sounds a bit like a good idea.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Yes it would cost the government TONS of money.
But if they got the idea of it now, they could perhaps find a way to raise money. I’m sure that all the people that want their children taught differently woiuld be glad to pitch in.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:00 am
You spelled would wrong…. And how would they raise the money?
Increase taxes?
May 7th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Well, unfortunetly they COULD raise taxes. But maybe if they advertised an auction, or a fund raiser, people would see and perhaps want to help.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:05 am
If you insist..A nationwide fundraiser? That would be a sight to see.
Well bye, almost time for my math class -.-
May 7th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Sofi
Almost all scientists believe the theory of evolution. How do you not call that the most respected theory in the world?
May 7th, 2008 at 9:08 am
YES! woohoo a nationwide funraiser.
it would infact be a sight.. hmm, we’ll have to think of SOMETHING.
oh noooo, maath. :p
May 7th, 2008 at 9:08 am
I think that Evolution should be taught in Science class. I think everything else shouldn’t be taught. I think if you are going to learn about God then do it elsewhere it’s disrespectful to other cultures, that believe otherwise. And this way the money issue wouldn’t happen.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Alexis, none of us are taxpayers, and therefore, cannot imagine what it would be like if the government raised taxes to fund these schools.
For example, in Egg Harbor City, New Jersey, the tax rate was increased by 14% to pay for the creation of a single new middle school.
WORD.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:13 am
@Alexis:
By “fundraisers”, are you suggesting a bake sale?
May 7th, 2008 at 9:25 am
I think teachers should explain all three ideas, without showing their opinion, and let the students choose which one they want to believe.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:26 am
If schools taught Creationism, Evolution, and Intelligent Design in science class that would just confuse the students in the class. One reason why schools shouldn’t include creationism in science class is because it goes against everything science states about the earth and on how humans evolved.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:32 am
uhhh timmy? who are you?
but sofi, I think that if people got in small groups and had little fundraisers (yeah they COULD be bakesales) and then gave the money to the government fro the new schools; it could work.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:34 am
if we had a bakesale we should get Mrs. Baker to make cookies and muffins =)
May 7th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Mark, I agree, also they shouldn’t combine church and state. School should stay the way it always has.
hmm…a bakesale..sounds like fun
May 7th, 2008 at 9:38 am
thanks Avery
May 7th, 2008 at 9:40 am
I don’t know if a fundraiser is going to work. People already have their minds on gas for their car, feeding their family, taxes, etc. If we had a fundraiser it probubly wouldn’t raise a lot of money.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Hmmm, I think your right, the government will have to come up with their own money. As I have said, schools should stay the same.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:44 am
I think that they Creationism, Evolution, Intelligent design should all be taught because if you uteach one to one section to one class tehn teach another to another class there just gonna get into a huge argument
May 7th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Redo: I think that Creationism, Evolution, Intelligent design should all be taught because if you teach one to one section to one class then teach another to another class there just gonna get into a huge argument. so we should just teach every thing
P.S Sorry for the mistakes
May 7th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Even though im sitting right next to you, I think that if they tought all three that would just confuse the students.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:51 am
If schools did have to teach all three then they should have seperate classes, also it should be the students choice to go whichever one they want.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:53 am
I agree with Punlieu.
They should teach all three and let each individual choose what they find most likely. None of them have been proven so who is to say which one should be taught?
May 7th, 2008 at 9:55 am
I think that Evolution should be taught in schools. I think that religion should be seperate from schools.
Bakesale sounds cool. mmmmmmmm cookies and muffins.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Vy I think you entered your comment on the wrong page
May 7th, 2008 at 10:00 am
she did. thats why it got taken off
May 7th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Alexis, nobody’s going to have a bakesale to fund a school (or schools) halfway across the country.
What are you on?
May 7th, 2008 at 10:17 am
How would you know no one would have a nation wide bakesale?
it sounds rediculous, yeah.
but it IS possible.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Alexis
You think that people in Las Vegas will hold a community wide bakesale to support a school in Southern Maine? And what is the point anyway. It wouldn’t come anywhere close, and lastly even if it does raise enough that still would be against the Constitution.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:26 am
* Because then you are not separating church and state.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:28 am
BAKESALE? some people can’t even make a cake, let alone a whole variety of yummy treats to make money for a school.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Bakesale, bad idea.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:32 am
I believe that we all came from apes because if they were smart enough they could speak and drive cars. they are strong and buff like me and konzo and they have fur.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:33 am
@Alexis:
It’s a dream.
It’s completely improbable.
Let’s think realistically here: the government would HAVE to raise taxes, and for a cause that a lot of the people in the U.S. wouldn’t even support.
You realize this would have to be voted on, also…
May 7th, 2008 at 10:36 am
So were trying to make enough food, to make schools, right? What about all of the hungry kids everywhere, we have a good enough schools already, why change it now?
May 7th, 2008 at 10:37 am
NOBODY WOULD HAVE A NATIONWIDE BAKESALE.
Bake sales couldn’t even begin to fund this.
If this were to happen, us having three alterative schools, we’d need a lot of money.
Think about it.
Bakesales and small fundraiser will not even touch the tip of the huge cost of having these schools. The ONLY way that we could have three alternative schools would be if taxes were raised at a considerable amount. And I can almost guarantee you that most science teachers would refuse to teach creationism and intelligent design in their classrooms.
FOR BARRY: I understand that Darwin’s theory is the most respected SCIENTIFIC theory in the whole world. I do agree with most of it, but I also believe in God. So that’s why I believe in intelligent design. I do not think that intelligent design is a bogus theory. But thanks, I appreciate the respect.
FOR ALEXANDRA: Um, I hate to break it to you, but love seriously doesn’t lead to marriage. What about couples who have been divorced? Are you going to say that they were never in “love” in the first place? The definition of love depends on who you are, and I’m sorry but I just don’t agree with what you said. Love for everyone is different. Come tell me in ten years if the person you first fell in love with is your husband or not.
Oh and Paley, evolution hasn’t been proven. IT’S STILL A THEORY.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:38 am
ahahha don’t even mind what i said to alexandra.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:39 am
once it gets voted on and the law is passed people would start funding in and people who agree with teaching this topic would send there kids to the programs and theses programs would be taught by specialists.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Erika i am a person who does not think that god exists simply because nobody has proof. people are believing in a person who lived a really really long time ago and had no idea in the world around him.
today we have advances in science. (i’m sure you know) i also read that you were “brought up” believing in god, but think about what we know today.
i just don’t see how you can believe in a all powerful being
(i agree with Paley)
May 7th, 2008 at 10:46 am
No one is going to fund this, why get into more debt already. This is a waste we need one school only. Teaching nothing about Intelligent, Creationism, Evolution, or just teaching Evolution in SCIENCE CLASS. It’s a science theory, ment for science class.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Science is for science.
Owned.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:50 am
you don’t teach creationism in science (i would not think)
May 7th, 2008 at 10:51 am
wait erika is god white or black girl or boy
May 7th, 2008 at 10:51 am
( i don’t like cake that much )
May 7th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Im pretty sure that if the whole country somehow got millions of dollars (from a bakesale!) and gave it to the government, the government would not use it for the school system. They would use it for like, everything else besides schools. Like war, America’s favorite pastime, because we’re $25 trillion in debt (I checked it, its true)
May 7th, 2008 at 10:53 am
You are making no SENSE!
May 7th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Ben this isn’t a place to argue about whether God exists or not. We will never be able to prove it either way. We can argue about it forever, but this blog is for debating about what should be taught in school, not
May 7th, 2008 at 10:55 am
*God
May 7th, 2008 at 10:57 am
SO!
Aside from bakesales, High School Musical, and the race and gender of the possibly-existent higher being (because this is all so interesting):
WHO THINKS THAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS SHOULD TEACH CREATIONISM, INTELLIGENT DESIGN, AND EVOLUTION?
May 7th, 2008 at 10:58 am
That’s the thing, our Government… (Bush) does that! He takes money from schools, and say “Oh, No, I’m going to take all of the money and give it to a war that has NO POINT!”
May 7th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Mmmm..I think that if you teach either creationism, evolution or intelligent design in school, the school will have to teach either all or none. It’ll give the students a better view at the different beliefs Americans have on how life on Earth came to be.
P.S. It’s pretty funny how it went from creationism, evolution and intelligent design to a worldwide bakesale. O_O;
Budget cuts from schools. I really don’t think Bush will use the money for the schools. It’s more for like war and the debt we owe to the other countries.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:00 am
I think they should keep the school the way it is. Teaching one would cause a big argument (ex: schools teach Intellegent Design, people who represent Evolution and Creationism would be angry.) If they taught all of them it would most certainly cost the government more money, to hire more teachers, more books, and more classroom supplies, ect.
School should stay the same.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:01 am
barry:
I’m not talking about fundraisers for a school in MAINE.
I’m talking about any state that wants to do it.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Yeah but you implied that there should be a Nationwide Bakesale.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Sofi I do not believe intelligent design or creationism should be taught in public schools.
And I also found the discussion about High School Musical extremely interesting
May 7th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Ben, just because you don’t believe in God doesn’t mean anything to me.
I could careless that you disagree with my point. It’s my faith, so what you’re saying to me, doesn’t matter. It won’t change MY view. I respect both yours and paley’s views, but I don’t think of them as mine.
DEMETRIUS: for the last time STOP BRINGING RACE into the discussion. And I believe that Jesus is a black male. God is a male. It’s what I’ve been taught from Catholicism.
ps: barry keep doing what you’re doing. i appreciate your sensitivity to the topic about religion and faith.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:06 am
If I see the word BAKESALE one more time on this page, I am going to throw a fit.
Bakesale, bakesale, bakesale.
Shut up, shut up, shut up.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Yeah a little off topic. But I think that we have all gotten all our opinions out.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Again, we’re 25 trillion dollars in debt, and rising, so it’s gonna take a helluva lot of bakesales to make Bush start focusing on America’s education system rather than finding WMDs on the other side of the world.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Hmm, ya I agree, and as someone else said (don’t rememba who)
All the money we raised would end up either A: paying off our debt, or B: go towards a pointless war.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Alexis, to provide a proper education you need to provide a safe building, teachers who need to have a proper salary, you need to provide transportation through busing, you need supplies, you need to provide lunch, you need to provide afterschool activities and teachers for those activities. It costs millions and millions of dollars. You think you are going to make that kind of money selling cookies and muffins.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:20 am
We should not teach any of this stuff in school it is not ment for school and thats it
May 7th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Alexis Your idea about a bake sale might of worked if were raising money for an end of the year field trip. yapha
May 7th, 2008 at 11:26 am
BAKESALE BAKESALE BAKESALE!
PLEASE STOP THIS MADNESS!
May 7th, 2008 at 11:29 am
D-mac, I think that you should try explaining your opinion a bit more thoroughly. It has little to no affect if you just say it and don’t reinforce like everyone else is. Your just asking for a verbal but wooping. Oh, and try reading it again after you type it, just a thought.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:56 am
People won’t have time to donate to a bakesale when there is rising gas price’s and also the economy is messed up
May 7th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
I do not believe intelligent design should be taught in science class. I think it is going against the constitution because the church has to be separated from the state. It wouldn’t be fair to just teach kids your own beliefs as if it is fact. Science class is supposed to teach facts not beliefs. If they did start teaching it they would also have to teach about all the other religions theories on how man came to be. If people are religious they can go to their church and learn about intelligent design. Science class is a place to learn facts, its not a place where you learn beliefs of some religion as if it was fact. I think evolution should defiantly be taught in school. Evolution actually has fact to it and there is proof that that is how it happened so i think it should be taught in schools. Archeologist have found evidence that certain animals have adapted to their environments over long periods of time. Humans have come from a certain type of monkey. Over time the monkey started walking upright and then started changing more and more until they became the humans we are today. People don’t have to believe every think they hear in school so if they don’t like the idea of evolution they can just disagree. I especially disagree with having creationism taught in school. Creationism is the exact opposite of evolution. People who believe in creationism think that the whole universe was created in 6 days and that is has only been around for about 5000 years. Once again I do not think this should be taught as a fact. I think that intelligent design and creationism could be taught in social studies as an idea but I don’t think it would be the best idea because then you will have to teach about all the other religions just to be fair. So I think that evolution should be taught at school and I don’t think that any thing religious should be taught as a fact.
May 7th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
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May 7th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Hey keanan. I thought school was a place to learn. Why don’t we not learn what people’s views are. We don’t necessarily have to believe in what they tell us. It is better to pretend listening than just ignoring it. How about let us try teaching intelligent design in schools. Try looking up the world “naturalism” and you will understand what I am trying to tell you. Yes, intelligent design affects some of peoples’ religions but “Science is a particular way of knowing about the world.” The reason of Science is to teach as things that we don’t understand. “Religion is another way of “knowing about” the natural world. While science bases all statements upon observations, religion bases many of its statements upon faith or divine revelation.” The only difference between science and religion is that religion relates more to faith. I am sure nothing in science is exactly proven. Telling us that creationism is the exact opposite of evolution is somewhat incorrect.Creationism is not necessarily connected to any particular religion. All I can say is that I think God or some supernatural being created the world and humans and then from their on we are on our own path, no strings attached.
May 8th, 2008 at 9:53 am
I was thinking..what if instead of going to normal school, you could go to completly differnt classes on different times of day: Ex: Intellegent Design is taught from 3-8 Every other day. Evolution is taught from 3-8 every other day that Intellegent Design is being taught. Creationism is taught from 8-8 on Saturday and Sunday. Just an idea, probally would not work.
May 8th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Avery
I see your point, but that would be impossible. First off, it would be extremely difficult budget wise to compensate the teacher for that. No one wants to work from seven in the morning until eight at night. And for students, who wants to stay in class that late when you could participate in a sport or hang out with friends? Good idea, but extremely difficult to do.
May 8th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Im sorry Avery
But I personally wouldn’t go to school on Saturday and Sunday to learn about Creationism.
May 8th, 2008 at 10:13 am
In the diversed society that we live in teaching these topics in school would take time and money
May 8th, 2008 at 10:26 am
oh well, it was just an idea. Yes it would probally cost to much.
May 8th, 2008 at 10:35 am
And Barry, yea I see your point about hanging out with freinds or sports or ect. But prehaps a program like this at like, some kind of place..were anyone can go for free. dunno?
May 8th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Haha I wouldn’t go.
Noooo wayyyyy
May 8th, 2008 at 10:40 am
@Avery:
This sounds an awful lot like Sunday school.
@Alexandra, a lot of kids wouldn’t want to sacrifice their weekends to educate themselves about the foundation of life, but a lot kids’ PARENTS have ultimate reign over them.
This is the reason we go to school.
A lot of us don’t WANT to sacrifice our weekdays to go to school to learn about such “trivial” things (as some of us may think) as science and algebra and history.
May 8th, 2008 at 10:42 am
I’d skip personally.
May 8th, 2008 at 10:43 am
I don’t think any theories about evolution, creationalism, or inteligent design should be taught at school; it would cost too much to teach all of them, so I think we should leave it up to kids’ parents and other influences in there life. Though parents might give a bias, so will teachers who believe one thing or another. Imagine a school in rural tx. They are not going to teach evolution. Lets face it our country has a lot of bias. I would rather let someones parents teach there kids what they want then what there teachers do.
May 8th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Hmm, ya Ben I agree, although I highly doubt my parents would take time out of their busy shcedule to teach me about Evolution ect, And i don’t think I would want to anyway.
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May 8th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Avery-
well if your parents wont teach you about it then you should be able to make your own decision on what you want to believe. There are other influences besides your parents also. ie…church, reletives etc…
May 8th, 2008 at 11:00 am
someone respond!!!!
May 8th, 2008 at 11:02 am
please?
May 8th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Parent don’t usually sit you down and teach you about the theory about evolution, or any other matter like that.
It’s up to the school to TEACH you.
You go to school to LEARN about things like this.
May 8th, 2008 at 11:15 am
what about seperation from state and religion? I don’t dissagree with you, but to be honest our contry doesn’t have enough money to teach every student about every theory. If you just teach one some parents might get mad. There is no way to just teach ONE without someone dissagreeing. If our government had enought money to finance it that would be great, but the truth is we are in debt by over $9000000000000. There is no way a bakesale is going to fix that.
May 8th, 2008 at 11:16 am
sorry i meant church and state. (and yes i know we say we have it and we really don’t)
May 8th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Hahha I know.
I’m not suggesting a national bakesale here.
I don’t think it would cost that much money.
It could be taught in one class [like science, throughout the year] and everyone could be informed on all three views.
May 8th, 2008 at 11:26 am
yes, but a science teacher is taught SCIENCE not religeon. If I were a science teacher I would not want to teach kids about a theory i knew nothing about. Maybe it would work if teachers had to go through training about all of the theories, but again…LOTS OF MONEY…I am not saying that it would not work but it would be very hard and I might just be being scepticle. There is still the trouble of parents. They might not want there kids learning about creationalism from someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about. I personaly believe in evolution, but kids have the right to know about all views from someone who knows what they are talking about
May 8th, 2008 at 11:31 am
I believe in evolution too
and you make some good points
but if you leave it up to parents and friends people are never going to learn.
May 8th, 2008 at 11:36 am
yes i see your point also. I just don’t ever see everyone being taught all of the theories. like I said a lot of teachers will refuse to even teach students about some of the theories. Maybe if there was a nonprofite organization that was there to teach students about each of the theories for and hour each day of school for a year and just let the kids decide what they want to?
I don’t know it seems like every option someone will have to get hurt.
Parents, kids, teachers…etc
May 8th, 2008 at 11:38 am